"I'll remain in the same office by 2027," Sir Keir Starmer declared, noting that if the discussion was successful, he might welcome us into Number 10 for a follow-up chat next year.
There is never any time off for prime ministers. In the hour before the interview began, the PM had been on the phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and working to work out what on earth had happened in Venezuela, where his key political chum, US President Donald Trump, had just attacked and captured its leader, Nicolás Maduro.
Once our lengthy talk, which was considerably lengthier than normal, had ended, Maduro had been formally accused in New York.
As the year commences, Starmer appears to have had something of a reboot. Maybe even just a bit of a rest with loved ones at Chequers, the prime minister's official country residence.
This seemed to have resulted in a more positive mood than at the sluggish tail end of 2025, a awful political year for him.
But are he and his allies deluding themselves if they reckon his standing are poised to turn around?
The grisly truth for the PM is that numerous of his fellow MPs believe he's not very good at his job. Some of them would rather gamble and get him out this year.
But Sir Keir was rejecting the idea during our conversation on Saturday morning.
Multiple times he insisted he'd be "judged at the next election", insisting nobody would strip his electoral mandate from him – even if the most effective strategy of preventing Nigel Farage and Reform UK entering No 10 might be for Labour to change its leader.
"This is the struggle of our generation and I intend to guide the party," he declared.
The issue for the prime minister is that he will be scrutinised long before then – in a huge set of elections in May throughout the UK. He tried to protest, maybe too much, that they are concerning who runs councils, and who runs the devolved administrations in Holyrood or Cardiff – and not a verdict on Westminster.
Accurate – in part. But although he may not want to acknowledge it, No 10 will be evaluated by those elections too.
Despite this, Sir Keir implying that there were no scenario under which he would walk away, should a his colleagues ran against him for the job, should those elections prove disastrous for Labour.
He tried to rationalise his low poll ratings by saying the electorate was reasonably impatient for things to get better. He sought to assure the interviewer, and the nation, that the coming months would be distinct.
The economic situation would strengthen in the face of rising unemployment, he claimed, when strategies the administration enacted during their initial turbulent year began to show results.
His core message is that in 2026 the country will "see an improvement".
The prime minister may have spoken with greater vigour than observed from him for a some time – more relaxed, perhaps, with more time to talk.
But despite encountering pressure from various quarters for a bolder approach, with increased political direction, more vigour, more pace and more immediacy, his explanations were familiar ones.
When he finds himself in considerable political difficulty, is a different approach required a change of tack?
No administration, and especially not one that has been struggling in the polls for an extended period, gets everything its as desired.
Sir Keir's challenges are not just because government is challenging, but because he and his colleagues have erred, including in the recent past.
The PM admitted that he regretted saying he was "delighted" to welcome back the Egyptian-British activist Alaa Abd El Fattah to the UK following an outcry when statements he'd previously made – including calls for Zionists and police to be killed – resurfaced.
Starmer attributed it to "the process" for not catching what the activist had said before – a fancier way of saying it wasn't his responsibility.
And he is courting clear political dangers as the year progresses. His close relationship with the US president acquires a new risk after Trump's strikes on Venezuela.
Based on years of interviewing Sir Keir Starmer, a former human rights lawyer who was against the war in Iraq, over his career, the notion he would be content with such action seems implausible.
He asserted he was a "longtime proponent of international law" but we "just haven't got the complete details at the moment".
Some wanted him to condemn it prior to we spoke. And the government is expected to face increased demands to give an clear view in Parliament in the next few days.
And there has consistently been bubbling desire in the Labour party to reverse or renegotiate some of the outcomes of Brexit.
Sir Keir rejects he's pursuing that, but his new firmer commitment to move closer with the single market – the vast economic European market – will probably trigger howls that he is going back on his promise never to try to overturn the choices that flowed from Brexit.
A decision to integrate into more of the single market will please some on his side of the party, but it is simple material for Reform and the Conservatives to
An international business strategist with over 15 years of experience advising multinational corporations on market expansion and sustainability.